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Hi Alex, thanks for taking the time to write this detailed comment.  I really appreciate you weighing in on the conversation here.

I agree with everything you said about Drupal becoming more and more complex, and I agree that is a very hard problem to solve while keeping the code complexity to a minimum.

You are also correct that the only way to become a Drupal expert is to put in the time. Right now, we have a community full of people who have already invested lots of their time to become experts in Drupal 7. These people are facing the prospect of needing to invest a lot more of their time to keep up with the next version of Drupal. We know how much people complained about the changes from Drupal 6 to Drupal 7, and instead of listening to their concerns and trying to ease that pain for them, we're asking them to hunker down and do it again - but this time on a <a href="https://drupal.org/list-changes">scale</a> that's never been seen before in Drupal development.

Here's an <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/455954/drupal_8_re-architecting_world_domination">interview with Dries Buytaert</a> from Computerworld.  See specifically the section titled "Re-architecting for world domination" on <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/455954/drupal_8_re-architecting_world_domination/?pp=3">on page 3</a> where he talkes about the two types of Drupal developers.

Drupal 8 is, unfortunately, targeting a different kind of developer.  We were also surprised to learn that there was a specific decision made to target this group in the Drupal 8 development cycle, but have confirmed that is the case by talking to several core committers. Admittedly, we had no idea what that decision would mean for my "hacker" developer type when it was initially made, but it's one that certainly won't be un-made now.

I also want to stress that I'm not saying that what Drupal 8 is doing is wrong, or even that it's not better than what Drupal 7 was doing.  My point is only that there are costs associated with making changes this big.

I also don't personally feel these changes were necessary.  Drupal 7 was very successful by most standards, and even more so is WordPress.  Neither of these systems needed OOP, standardized patterns, or components to get there.

This is purely a difference of opinion - and unfortunately one that can't be solved in the Drupal.org issue queue. :(

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